Sanders’ “sexist” behavior March 7, 2016Posted by mareserinitatis in feminism, Politics, societal commentary, teaching.
Tags: clinton, communication, interrupting, sanders, sexism
I almost made a tweetstorm about this topic, but when you have to confine your thoughts to 140-character morsels, it kind of ruins the flow of ideas.
Apparently Bernie Sanders is sexist for asking Clinton to stop interrupting him during last night’s debate. You won’t believe how hard I laughed at that notion.
Let’s start by looking at the other debates that have been going on. Part of the reason that the GOP debates have been such a horrible mess is because the candidates constantly interrupt and talk over each other and then someone gets mad and starts shouting. As many people have noted, these debates haven’t exactly been the high point of civility, and the behavior of interrupting and talking over other candidates is exactly some of the problem. I am taking the tack, therefore, that interrupting is rude.
Let me restate that. Interrupting is RUDE.
This is something that, as a woman, has made me absolutely insane. I have had a couple male colleagues in the past who would not let me finish my sentences. I don’t think they’re doing it because they’re sexist (although one of them certainly is). It’s something they often do to men, as well. I think that interrupting is just a jerk thing to do because you’re telling the other person that you don’t care what they have to say and that whatever is going on in your head is more important than whatever idea the other person is trying to get across.
When dealing with one colleague, I’ve seriously had to bite my tongue. I had fantasies of offering to bring in the younger son to demonstrate to him how to have a respectful conversation. Failing that, though, I’ve also fantasized about telling him simply, “Wait your turn! I’m talking!” I spent a lot of time wondering how to say it so that it wasn’t perceived that I was being rude…despite the fact he was being rude to begin with.
I see a lot of this dynamic when teaching, as well. I had one individual student who would sit and talk with his friends in the back of the class, often to the point of being loud enough that nearby students couldn’t hear. As the teacher, though, there was a bit a power dynamic I could use, so the student and his buddies were told to move to the front row of desks in the classroom where they would sit for the rest of the semester. I told the students that I liked them which is why I moved them to the front of the class instead of just kicking them out altogether. Was that rude? Perhaps, but so is disrupting the class and, as the teacher, I need to maintain at least a minimal level of authority and dominance in the classroom.
If you look at interrupting in the big picture, there’s a dynamic in the workplace where men are more likely to interrupt than women are. This is because men’s communication style tends toward using conversation to express dominance and women tend to use other styles more geared towards making connections.
On stage, Clinton was adopting, very appropriately for politics, a male style of communication where she was attempting to use discussion as a way to maintain dominance. It’s a way to mow down Sanders’ ideas and make her own dominant. In politics, like in many professional areas, women have to learn to adopt this communication style in order for their male colleagues to take them seriously. Sanders did the thing that so many women have a hard time with but need to learn to do. He essentially said, “Stop talking. Stop interrupting. I was speaking. Wait your turn.” It wasn’t sexist: it was a way to prevent himself from being mowed over.
The problem is that, like Sanders, women who assert that they won’t have their ideas mowed over are often seen as rude and pushy. The consequences for drawing your conversational line in the sand can be pretty severe, especially if you’re a woman. If the roles were reversed, Sanders would have been seen as sexist for interrupting and not letting Clinton speak. Clinton would have been doing the right thing to tell him to stop interrupting. If it had been two men, it would’ve been shrugged off.
My take away from this is that the conversation dynamic between Clinton and Sanders shows Clinton and Sanders see each other as equals. Clinton attempted to dominate the conversation (the way many men do) and Sanders wasn’t going to play the subordinate. If you really want to make something sexist out of this, maybe more women need to learn to follow both of their examples, and more men need to not freak out when it happens.