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Fed up with standardized tests May 19, 2012

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When I was a kid, I remember taking Iowa Basics tests every couple years.  I remember this because I was both stunned and disappointed.  I was usually impressed because my grade equivalencies placed me at least three grades ahead of then current placement with the gap widening as time went on.  The disappointment was because nothing ever came of it.  I sort of assumed that everyone I was going to school with must have similar scores because I was kept with the same people, in the same grade, without even so much an acknowledgement.

Well, okay, there was an acknowledgement – there were usually comments about how my math computation scores were so much lower than everything else.  (This is what led me to believe, for many years, that I was bad at math.)

My kids haven’t used Iowa Basics, and I find this very disappointing.  In a move that I can only assume is a result of No Child Left Behind (or, as I affectionately like to refer to it, the “Lake Wobegon Law” because everyone must be above average), there has been a shift away from tests like Stanford Achievement or Iowa Basics to NWEA Map testing.

The only way I can describe this is useless info that’s providing a moving target.  The test provides percentiles and approximate ranges for competencies in various subfields.  It is frequently renormed.  In many respects, it’s the same as any other standardized test.

My beef is that, as far as I can tell, the only purpose of the test is to see how your student(s) compare with the rest of your district or nationally.  On the other hand, I will say that it’s not the only one that does this.  However, it seems like there are a lot of schools moving this way, and I see it as a huge detriment.  The reason is that I don’t think you can make decisions about a child based strictly on their performance compared to a norm.  However, that’s exactly what teachers want to do.  They see an area of relative weakness in a child and want to hold them to that level for all of their abilities.  I am left to ponder why it is they never want the child to be working at the level where they are capable and make an attempt to bring the weak areas up to par with the strong areas.  Of course, if you have nothing to determine where they’re actually achieving, it’s hard to implement that type of education.

This leads me to wonder: how does a child working at age level help them to develop skills above age level?  If you’re teaching a child stuff s/he already knows, aren’t you just holding them back?

The complaints I received about my ‘lousy’ math computation scores are one example of this.  I have several tests showing this problem which constantly elicited comments from teachers about how I was poor at math.  I get the impression that they looked for personal weaknesses but never really made the connection that my average was different than most of the other kids.  Their solution, therefore, was to have me work on more computation at grade level.

Scores that only consist of a percentage relative to norms tell you is that one’s performance relative to everyone else may be an area of weakness.  It doesn’t tell you, however, where you’re really achieving.  It’s a bit different if you have a grade equivalency sitting next to the norms.  It turns out that my ‘lousy’ math computation scores implied that my computation was equivalent to the average child two grades ahead of me.  And it should be fairly obvious that if they wanted to me to be achieving more strongly in computation, they would have been giving me more computation at 2-3 years ahead of grade level.  Unfortunately, that’s not what happened, and most often, it’s still not.  It’s a lot harder to dismiss a child’s achievements when you have a solid basis of comparison (a kid two or three years older) than some vague percentile.  Those percentiles don’t give teachers a true picture of achievement; how many teachers have frequency tables for a normal distribution sitting nearby? My impression is that it leaves them only feeling that when a child is at a very high level, the child is learning and thriving in their current environment.  They have the mistaken impression that the child is having their needs met, when in reality, the child could be seriously underperforming relative to their potential.  Likewise, they may get the impression that a child is struggling but fail to realize that it’s because they lack basics from prior years.

I therefore would like tests to go back to giving grade equivalencies.  I think this illuminates the level of child achievement and gives teachers a better idea of what they are actually dealing with.  There is a good amount of research showing that teachers are actually some of the worst identifiers of children’s intellectual gifts, and taking away the frame of reference that grade equivalencies provide is going to make it worse for the child and parents or other advocates.

Evals, part two April 21, 2012

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I got my ratings for teaching last semester, which I discuss here.  I didn’t get back any comments, however.  When I went down to campus this week, I found out that the secretary for the dept. has to type all of the comments in and give me a typewritten copy…and they’d been sitting in my box for two months.  (I didn’t realize I still had a box since I wasn’t teaching this semester!) This is apparently to maximize the anonymity of the students.

Of the 90ish students, 11 left comments.  I’m kind of surprised because it seemed like before, fully half of the students left comments.  Usually I like to pull out a sample, but since there are so few, I’ll just put them all down…numbered so I can refer to them more easily.

1. Relatively easy course.  Good use of Blackboard. Made communicating easy and quick.

2. She didn’t do a very good job of explaining some assignments.  She was a very nice teacher, though.

3. Cherish is a good teacher.  I just don’t think this course is necessary.

4. Need to learn more about the fields.

5. The course was interesting and I enjoyed covering some topics.  Cherish is very good at covering topics and explaining things.

6. This course has some good content but I don’t think the majority helps out.

7. LOL

8. A very interesting course.  I learned a lot about what being an engineer means.

9. Very good job with the class. The extra help in figuring out my next semester was very helpful.  Thanks!

10. I very much enjoyed this class. The instructor made it fun.

11. Set up syllabus that is actually going to be used.  Changing it multiple times is too confusing.

First, I was amused at #7.  I wish I knew what part they were LOLing about.

That said, I have to say I’m overjoyed with the comments.  I’ve really never had comments that overwhelmingly positive.  (Yay for teaching engineering students!) There was actually some good feedback in there, as well.

I’m glad #1 liked the use of blackboard.  I’ve decided that I’m going to use it more than I did this semester.  It made it so much easier to keep track of assignments.  There are probably two or three assignments that can’t be submitted on blackboard, but I’m going to require all the others be submitted that way.  Also, I’m going to spend a lot more time explaining how to use it as some students were really confused once we got into things.

Number 2 said I didn’t do a good job of explaining some assignments, and I think that’s a very fair observation.  When we were talking about lab notebooks and reports, it was very clear that some of the students were confused as to what I expected.  Having been through it once, I have a much better way to frame out those assignments in particular for future use.

Numbers 3 and 6 are probably the same sort of thing.  Realistically, I’d say that half of the students in the class really didn’t need the class.  On the other hand, you can never tell which students are going to be in the half that do, so they hit everyone and hope it sticks.

Number 4 – that was another assignment that needs work.  For that assignment, I had student groups give presentations on subfields of engineering.  It was obvious that I need to provide more guidance about what sources to use.  Some of them got very fixated on one little aspect of the subfield and didn’t give a very good overview of the subfield as a whole.

The last comment is probably the only one that annoyed me.  I told students at the beginning that the syllabus was subject to change, and being the first time I’d taught the course, I pretty much guaranteed it would change.  So how many times did I change it?  Once, and I made a mistake on the homework list that needed to be fixed near the end of the semester.  Honestly, I’ve had teachers who give a syllabus and then don’t even bother to use it…so I guess this will be a learning experience for that student.  (BTW, my ‘syllabus’ included a full list of lecture topics, assignment requirements and due dates, etc. so that they pretty much had everything laid out for them.  It wasn’t the typical, “Here’s your books, grading scheme, and office hours.”  You know that’s going to require a revision when you’ve never done it before.)

I have been asked to teach this class again in the fall…along with one or two others.  I have some choices to make, but given how well this one went, I really think I’d like to do it again.

It’s not easy being…gifted. April 10, 2012

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I was surprised at how many people misunderstood my post on Asperger’s.  However, I suppose it’s bound to happen when people go on a rant in print.  What I’d like you to do, if you felt I was being offensive to Aspies, is go back and read the post, substituting “gifted” for “Aspie”.  Or you could use the word ‘green’. I still feel pretty much the same way.  The point I was trying to make was that labels suck.

Nicoleandmaggie left a comment in yesterday’s post that said:

I agree with the above folks that diagnosis of syndromes is important for treating the negative aspects of those syndromes, and that’s as true for giftedness as it is for Aspergers as it is for PCOS.

I’m not convinced this is true.  I can homeschool a child who is gifted without ever having a clue they’re gifted while being able to keep them adequately challenged.  Likewise, I could probably do the same with an Aspie child (since people used to keep giving the older son that ‘armchair diagnosis’).  The problem is not the mental state of the child as much as the fact that we expect all children to sit in classrooms with other kids their age and function exactly the same way.  With both Asperger’s and giftedness, it’s amazing how those labels suddenly don’t become as important when in a workplace setting.

If you’ve ever hung out with physicists or engineers, the ones that stick out are NOT the socially clueless, nerdy, fixated types: it’s the ones who make decisions emotionally and adhere to societal norms.  Really, the place we need these labels is when we have such an artificially constructed environment that necessitates ‘normality’ and conformity.  Further, the teachers of these classrooms (especially in elementary) tend to be of the personality type that values social conformity over rationality or innovative thinking.  Giftedness is viewed as a threat to the social fabric, and I would guess that Aspies, with their nonconformity to societal values, are in the same boat as the gifted (and it’s twice as bad for those who are both).  All this, despite the fact that the ‘teacher lecturing to kids sitting quiescently in their desks’ method of teaching has been shown to be one of the least effective methods of communicating information.

In my own life as a student and as a parent, I’ve had a fair number of teachers who think that gifted kids don’t need to be challenged, they need to be brought down a notch.  And, as a parent, the looks I get from teachers when the subject of giftedness comes up is far worse than having to say there’s an IEP for educational autism in place.  (And what good are labels like exceptionally gifted when no one has a clue what they mean anyway?!)  Yet, as an adult, I have never had to even address most of the differences my kids display in unstructured environments.  When not in school, people learn to deal with those who are different or to try to avoid those who are so different that they can’t deal with them.  I am thoroughly convinced that the reason we need labels is not to help the kids but to help the teachers deal with kids they don’t understand or don’t like.  Which makes me wonder why we keep using this model where we stick kids in these situations that almost always result in a negative impact on their self-esteem.

I think there are two solutions to the problem, best when used together.  First, I think the role of teachers is all messed up.  Second, I think the whole classroom organization scheme is messed up, too.  The older boy attended a gifted school for two years where the premise was that each kid could work at an individual level toward their own specific educational goals.  The teachers in this scenario became facilitators.  It’s actually a lot like homeschooling, except there are more kids and some of the learning comes from interacting with those kids.  In this scenario, the teachers need to be educated about differences, keep an eye out for problems a kid may have, but they also have to understand the material they are teaching very well.  (Given elementary education training is more about classroom control than ensuring a very thorough understanding of the material, this changes the nature of how teachers would have to be educated.)  In this scenario, kids who had different needs were able to have those needs addressed without drawing undue attention to their differences.  It significantly reduced the amount of peer issues and, especially, bullying.  The interactions were organic, not forced.

A lot of the education was done through self-paced computer programs.  This meant one kid would get through five years of math in one year while another might struggle getting through a single year during that time.  But it didn’t matter…they could excel where they were able and allowed to take it more slowly when necessary.  And there was no judgement attached.

Creating this sort of classroom environment is probably somewhat more expensive than a regular classroom, but I’m not sure.  (How does the cost of textbooks and workbooks compare with computers and easily updated software?)  We’re so used to the notion that education means suffering, both through too fast or too slow academics as well as through social stigma for all our differences.  I don’t think people really are making an effort to correct these issues, which are often linked, because they are too stuck on the idea of doing things the way they always have been done.

This means we continue to need labels.  And I still think labels are stupid.

Observation as a parent of a gifted child: laziness March 23, 2012

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The older boy couldn’t seem to make it out of bed to get to high school on time, and when there, couldn’t make it from one class to another in the allotted amount of time.  He was spending time in between classes socializing, and outside of school, he wasn’t doing his homework.

In the past week, however, he’s been getting up at 7 a.m. without fail so that he can catch a ride to the library and study economics for a few hours each day.  He’s made it through two chapters, including doing all the study guide problems and writing out definitions for vocab words.

His plan is to finish the economics course by the middle of May so that he can take the CLEP exam.  This was the course *he* really wanted to do.  When we were going through the list of possible topics, he picked it out and said he wanted to do it.

Lazy children don’t do these things, so he’s obviously not lazy.  On the other hand, it was pretty obvious his high school classes just weren’t doing it for him.

When we went to a specialist in gifted assessment, she said, “I don’t believe in lazy.  Kids aren’t lazy, but they can be unmotivated when presented with something that isn’t sufficiently interesting and stimulating.”  That was about seven years ago, and I didn’t believe her.  I started to wonder about it when, in sixth grade, the only class he did well in was the only one that was accelerated: math.  For the record, he really isn’t all that crazy about math.  It wasn’t until last year, after the older boy studied like crazy for his US History CLEP exams and passed them, that I had to admit that she was right.

Now I’m wondering what he’d be doing if he’d been able to accelerate at the high school.  The school doesn’t allow students to take AP classes until their junior year.  Doing early enrollment at the college (without his GED) wouldn’t have been possible without his counselor signing off.  (Given she fought my parents tooth and nail when I was in high school, and he had the same counselor and was doing poorly, I doubt that would’ve ever happened.)  But looking at him, I’m seeing what a huge mistake they’re making with these policies.

I feel like I ought to tell them this.  But I am also tired of fighting it and feel like it’s just better to focus my efforts on my own kids.  This mental fatigue is the kind of thing that makes me see why so many people pull their kids out of the system.  There’s just no energy to deal with it, especially when it’s obvious what the solution is.  The school, in the meantime, has mired itself down with pointless rules that keep people from excelling, and in some cases, succeeding.

My little professor February 28, 2012

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The younger son is really blowing me away in math.  He started 5th grade math yesterday, and we expect him to be through it by the end of the year.  If you’re wondering why this is surprising, keep in mind that he’s only 7.  (My husband and I both shake our heads and keep wondering what we would’ve accomplished had we been able to accelerate in school.)

I will admit that the program recommends students do at least 20 minutes of math per day, and he does 40. I found that he needed some time to ‘warm up’.  It seems like when he starts, he’s not crazy about the idea of doing homework.  He would much rather go play with his Legos (and I can’t say I blame him).  So he spends the first few minutes sighing and agonizing about having to do homework.  Then, after 5-10 minutes, something clicks, and he decides he likes what he’s doing and starts focusing.  So maybe half of the time is productive.  I then have him do another 20 minute session (and by this point, he’s enjoying himself, so I almost never have to remind him), where he seems focused for about 10 minutes or so, and the last 10 minutes, he starts getting distractable.

When we did 20 minutes, he would have to quit just as he was getting into his stride.  I also found that it took him longer to get through things because it had been a longer amount of time since he’d last seen it.  He would forget things that he’d already learned.

It also took me a while to realize that while he may be wiggling and looking around at everything else, he apparently has to move to think.  (If I wiggled around half as much as he did, I’d fall out of my chair.  And my productivity would take a serious dive.)  I keep wondering if he wiggles this much at school, although his teacher has never mentioned it.  Also, I supposed part of it comes from sitting in a desk most of the day.

I really like to sit with him while he’s doing his math.  I don’t usually say much, or I’ll be reading something on my iPhone.  If he gets stuck, though, he likes to talk through the problem, and I am amused at how he sounds like a little math professor.  (Heck, I think he explains things better than some of my elementary school teachers did.)  Last night, however, I noticed that he was supposed to be comparing two sets of equations with numbers regrouped in different ways.  The lesson was on the associative property of multiplication.  The problems involved solving one multiplication expression and then the same expression again with the numbers grouped differently.  It looked something like this:

(4×2)x5=?

4x(2×5)=?

The idea is to prove that you can regroup the numbers and end up with the same answer, verifying that multiplication is associative.  The younger son would solve the first equation and then just type the same answer into the second one.

I said, “Don’t you think you ought to solve that second one just to make sure it’s the same?”

He responded, in my best little exasperated professor voice, “No. Multiplication is associative, so I don’t need to.”

I couldn’t help but giggle.

If he already thinks he knows more than me now, I dread what he will be like as a teenager.

Second grade logic and rulers February 23, 2012

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Today, I went back to work with the second graders.  We’ve been spending a lot of time talking about circles and degrees and Babylonian units and π.

My plan has changed from the original one of trying to teach the kids a bunch of applied stuff.  I’ve pretty much given in to teaching them historical discoveries in math simply because there’s a lot of stuff you can do that doesn’t require multiplication and division.  It’s been a lot of fun, but I decided to try something different but related: I wanted to teach them out to make a formal mathematical proof.  Okay, not terribly formal.  What I want them to learn is how to use logic to make a proof.  I suspect some of them know already (based on some of the arguments I’ve had with my son who has rock solid 7-year-old logic).  However, I’d like them to use their brains for good instead of getting out of (or into) trouble.

The thing about geometrical proofs is that they really aren’t that hard.  At least, I never found them to be.  I remember sitting in 10th grade geometry and being given T-charts.  I would race through them and ace them all.  I was horribly surprised to see that my classmates had difficulty with them as well as complaining the teacher was too abstract.  I threw the idea of proofs out to Mike, and he said that pretty much the only tool you need is a brain, so it’s probably a good idea.  (I’d have to disagree…you need a brain…but you also need a pencil, paper, ruler, and protractor.  But otherwise, I think he’s right.)

Today, we started with the concept a line and measuring its angle.  I know my former math instructor wouldn’t approve, but I’m teaching them to use degrees (aka Babylonian Units) because that’s what’s on the protractor.  Also, I’m not sure how versed they are in fractions, so we’re not going to get into fractional parts of π.  (Actually, if anyone has ever seen a protractor with units of π rather than degrees, please let me know as I’d love to buy it.)

Once we had a line, then I told them to draw a point on the line with another line coming out of it, so that it would look like this (without the measurements):

Each of them drew the line coming out an a different angle.  They all measured their angles and found that they all summed to 180°.  A couple of the kids seemed surprised that they all ended up with the same number. Incidentally, those that didn’t seem surprised were very absorbed with the flexible rulers I had brought to use.  (Note to self: second-graders are easily distracted by anything novel.) We then talked about how any two angles, if they formed a straight line, would add up to 180° and how this was known as the supplementary angle theorem.

Once we had that down, we used it to prove the vertical angle theorem.  It took them a bit to realize that the line created by adding supplementary angles doesn’t have to be horizontal (like in the picture above).

That’s all we got through today, but I plan on using this to show them that the interior angles of a triangle always add up to 180°.  It might take us a couple weeks to get there, especially since next week I’m supposed to read them a couple more of the Sir Cumference books.

My many hats February 9, 2012

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A couple weeks ago, my blog was promoted by a couple of sites and the hits started flowing in.  I commented to someone (most likely Gears) how it’s nice to be recognized for my blogging about engineering but frustrating for the lack of recognition for my actual engineering work.  Guess I should’ve waited a couple weeks.

Normal work has also been crazy. I’ve been given full control of the Minion and have thrown him in on a new project where he’s learning everything from scratch.  It’s similar to projects that I’ve done, but even more complicated and using a different program.  So our next couple weeks are going to be real fun as we’re going to be trying to make our way through using this new program and occasionally resorting to the old program for reality checks.

The other serious challenge I’ve been dealing with this week is long division.  It’s pretty scary stuff, especially when you have a seven-year-old who is fighting some rather strong perfectionistic tendencies.  He’s been getting to the long division portions in his computer math, and he starts to shut down.  I’ve been getting more and more frustrated with it, so I decided to put an end to it tonight.  I went back and printed out some of the older homeworks so that we could take a couple steps back.  I think the problem is that he really thinks he can do everything in his head.  I have to admit that his ability to do mental math far outweighs mine: I simply have to write everything down.  However, he’s starting to hit the limit of this particular ability, and so he freaks out whenever he has to do a problem where he can’t do it all in his head.

I told him that tonight’s homework was going to be doing some work sheets.  With the problems written out on paper, he didn’t seem to have this idea that he had to do everything in his head.  The first couple were challenges, but then he started getting the hang of things and was able to execute the last few problems very quickly.  By the time we had finished, he was doing 3-digit numbers divided by 2-digit numbers with no problem.  We’re going to do some more difficult problems tomorrow and then try heading back to the computer.

We tried a similar approach when he started to get stuck on multiplication a couple months ago.  I guess there are some things that really have to be written out to be understood.  I just hope he starts to make regular use of his notebook from here on out.

Evals! Oh happy day! February 6, 2012

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I had to make a run down to campus and, while there, I picked up my evals from last semester.  Apparently there were no comments on the evals because I just received a sheet for each class summarizing my ‘grades’.

I had been dreading this day for quite a while.  I had a couple of cranky students at the end of last semester.  I was also worried.  When teaching geology labs, it seemed like I got some very pissed off students who left simply nasty evals.  (I discussed this on my old blog a couple times.)  Compared to some of the other TAs, my evals usually came out worse.  A lot of this had to do with the perception that I was a harder grader.  In reality, I graded more easily on labs and more harshly on exams, so my averages were about the same as everyone else.  But that’s not what the students think.

Anyway, so I sat down with my numbers and discovered that some classes had better or worse perception than others.  For instance, my first Thursday class gave me the lowest scores (3.6 out of 5 for a couple questions) while the class right after that gave me the highest scores (4.5 of 5).  My Tuesday classes were somewhere in between.  The smallest class was the happiest, but the largest class wasn’t the unhappiest.  I’m not sure what happened with that one Thursday class, though, as it was a lot lower than the others.  Maybe I need to make sure to regale future students with my huge stack of nerdy science jokes.

They said the average for the department was around 4.2…but I realized that they were talking about the University Studies department, not engineering.  (The class is listed under University Studies, but some departments choose to have their own teachers for the class, as was the case for the sections I taught.)  I’m actually relieved that my scores were on par with the rest of the University Studies department given I heard many complaints about how much more work my students had to do relative to other sections (which weren’t being run by engineering).  Despite the fact I “worked them to death,” they were still okay with it.

That’s good because it’s not going to get any easier for them.

It’s looking,therefore, like last semester went as well as could be expected, especially given it was my first time teaching it and the whole thing was an experiment.  I wish there was some way to see if the kids really did get anything out of it to help with their long-term academic goals, though.

Are grad classes a waste of time? February 5, 2012

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I have seen both Gears and Massimo post comments about how grad classes are a waste of time.  Last week, Gears said this in his EngineerBlogs post (which I’d like to address several points, but this will have to suffice for tonight) and Massimo has suggested ‘workshop’ classes. I have to say that I disagree with both of them, but I think it’s because of my weird background.

For review, I did an undergrad in physics with a math minor, my masters in electrical engineering, and my PhD will officially be in geophysics (as was all my coursework) though my project is actually on solar physics.

Honestly, I’m not sure I could have done that without the coursework.  On the other hand, I think my attitude would be different if I’d stayed in one field. In my work in electrical engineering, I use almost every class I took, especially the grad courses.  I use antennas and microwave engineering a lot…so much so, that my circuits classes are probably the most rusty.  (I know, that’s completely backwards for an EE, but that’s how it goes sometimes.)  I find myself often wishing I’d had the opportunity to take some advanced signal processing, as well.  And one of the most useful courses was numerical techniques in electromagnetics.  Not only does it help me with the work I’m doing in EE, it’s also helping with many of the things I’ve run into looking at geo- and solar physics research.

The flip side to this is that if I’d continued on to get a PhD in EE, any further coursework would not have been terribly relevant.  I think there’s an optimum point, and that may have come earlier if my undergrad was in EE.

My classes in geophysics were not as useful, and I think there were probably 2.5 classes that had anything at all to do with my research and what I’m doing now.  Realistically, for the stuff I was interested in, I probably should have looked at a PhD in physics or astrophysics…but that may not have been much better if I was taking a bunch of classes on stuff that had no bearing on my research, either (which is likely).  However, the 2.5 classes that were useful have been REALLY useful.

I’ve got a breadth in classes that most students never get.  This is one thing that I think is a bit of a sticking point for some students.  Most places have a ‘breadth requirement’ – i.e. so many classes outside of their department.  I think this is a good thing as it helps people to see what other types of things could be relevant to their research.  I really think this is something that should be required because of all the ideas that come from seeing how different disciplines approach their fundamental problems, and even having some exposure to what those problems are is a benefit to students.

The real problem, in my opinion, is that so many places require a LOT of credits.  It’s fairly common in most good EE programs to require somewhere between 50 and 60 credits of JUST coursework.  I don’t like the idea of no classes, but I really think you could trim them back and just make students take classes that are relevant to their research as well as a couple classes for breadth.  I was very disappointed with my PhD program because once you hit advanced candidacy status, you’re not allowed to take any more classes unless your advisor is willing to foot the bill.  Not likely because most advisors want their students working on their research and getting done (not that I blame them).  The down side is that there are a couple classes that I could have really used but was unable to take because they didn’t fulfill the requirements for my degree.  Most of my classes had to be in the department as I’d already fulfilled my breath requirement, so taking a class here or there outside the department was viewed as a waste of time because they didn’t allow me to tick off some of those boxes in the red tape.  And of course, it becomes obvious that you would really benefit from a course once you’ve hit advanced status and can’t take any more.

It would be nice if there was a system where your advisor could sit down with you and figure out where you’re interested in going research-wise and plot a course through the classwork that makes sense and is flexible.  Wouldn’t it be nice if you discovered you need to learn about a particular topic and could then go take the course on it? It makes more sense to me than filling in boxes to get to a certain number of credits or hedging bets that something will be useful later on.

Let’s face it: research degrees are already very specialized and take a long time, so it would make more sense to cut the classes down to those that are relevant.  This would ideally save time without sacrificing the background required for a research project. Finally, a really good option, which more universities ought to allow, is independent study classes.  During my MS, I took one class as an independent study working on emag stuff.  It was awesome as I got the material I really needed in a more structured way and was able to do a project which (I’m still hoping) would be a foundation for some decent research down the line.  Therefore, I don’t feel grad classes are a waste of time, as long as they make sense, and I wish universities would be more flexible in some of their requirements.

Am I missing something here? January 27, 2012

Posted by mareserinitatis in education, engineering, science, teaching.
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Like everyone else, I came across the article on why college students leave engineering.

I was reading it with my jaw hanging open.  Specifically this:

The typical engineering major today spends 18.5 hours per week studying. The typical social sciences major, by contrast, spends about 14.6 hours.

My first thought was: Where the heck can you go to school and study for 18.5 hrs/wk and still manage to pass enough classes to get an engineering degree?!

My second thought was that it explained something that has been puzzling me.  Last semester, my students complained about the amount of homework I assigned for my 1-credit class.  There was about 1  homework assignment per week, and I figured this meant they’d be spending an average of 1-2 hours outside of class on assignments.

When I started school, the rule of thumb was that 3 hours per week outside of class PER CREDIT was required for an A, two for a B, one for a C.  This meant that if you planned to go to school full time (which was 12 credits per semester) and get an A average, you needed to be spending about 36 hours per week just on homework in addition to your 12 hours of seat time in a classroom.

I also learned that, for some classes, this was a significant underestimate (usually math, engineering and physics classes) while for other classes, it was an overestimate.  I remember one senior-level sociology class that I took where I spent, on average, three hours per week on homework and still came out with one of the highest grades in the class.  This is why I always felt it was a good idea to have a nice balance between technical and non-technical classes: it would even out the homework load a bit.

My understanding of a typical homework load is obviously a couple decades behind.  (Although I am not sure I plan to change my tune any time soon.)  However, I did feel good about one point in the article:

STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) have also had less grade inflation than the humanities and social sciences have in the last several decades.

Apparently you can study less in engineering than you used to have to obtain a degree, which I have to admit bothers me a bit.  However, it’s still harder than humanities and you’re more likely to actually have to earn those grades.  Despite the fact that we’re probably pushing STEM fields more than we really need to, I do hope employers take that into consideration.  STEM students have to be more committed to make it through their fields, which are also more technically challenging.  I’d think that should be worth something.

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